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    Saturday, November 10, 2007

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    Rich Holton

    Yes! It is about following Christ, which may seem like foolishness to many!

    John Nelson Leith

    John 2:12-15, Luke 22:35-38, Matthew 10:34-36... Are the politics of pacifism really determined by pacifist Jesus, or is the pacifist "Jesus" determined by the politics of pacifism?

    Dave Warnock

    John,

    The passages you refer to do not support at all, in any way, a case against Christian Pacifism.

    John 2:12-15

    You again mistake pacifism for passive behaviour. Righteous anger against injustice and corruption is part of Pacifism. Symbolic actions are also very important. Typically the
    violence in this passage is overstated. When you drive animals with a whip of cords you are not whipping them in the way Jesus was whipped before his death.

    Luke 22:35-38

    You need to read on and discover that Jesus did not intend for or allow the swords to be used in defence.
    Two swords to defend 12 is not effective, it shows these were a symbolic gesture to fulfil prophesy.

    Matthew 10:34-36

    a) How does Jesus teach us to treat our enemies?
    b) How did Jesus treat the enemy occupying force?
    c) How did Jesus treat his family?
    None of those give any indication whatsoever that Jesus intends this mention of a sword to indicate violence. It is an image of the way that changing our allegiance to a new master (Jesus) will divide us from the world. That appears to be especially true when we actually take his teaching on violence seriously as your response indicates.

    Do you by any chance think that anyone could have considered Christian pacifism without having actually thought about these passages?

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