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    Thursday, December 03, 2009

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    Richard Hall

    You're right Dave: climate change, health, transport, energy security -- all these issues are linked and need a co-ordinated approach

    Methodist Preacher

    Dave, as you get older you may realise why more do not cycle or walk. It is important to retain an efficient and effective public transport system for those who do not have the use of a car, can cycle or the ability to walk.

    My second point is that comparisons with someone from The Netherlands are not helpful in the UK except in the context of Eastern England.

    Dave

    MP,

    I quite agree that good public transport is also critical. Again both the Netherlands and Denmark (especially Copenhagen) are good examples.

    You will see on David Hembrow's blog a lot of stuff about bike parking at railway stations for example.

    Also note that a great cycle infrastructure tends to also mean great support for pedestrians and also for mobility scooters (me remembering the tortuous routes we have take with Mum on her mobility scooter to find dropped kerbs).

    Also on David's blogs are examples from the hillier parts of the Netherlands (it is not just Holland) where there is still a lot of cycling.

    Having experienced cycling in both Denmark and Netherlands I would say don't underestimate the headwinds in flat areas. They are frequently worse than hills in much of the UK.

    I have for example ridden my fixed gear bike (on which I am very bad at hills) all over Wolverhampton with no problems.

    I used to think it was about the right equipment, the right training etc but I am more and more convinced that providing a great infrastructure will get loads of people on bikes who have no interest in equipment (in cycling in fact) or in getting properly trained. Instead they love the speed, flexibility, cost and convenience of cycling. That does not happen without the infrastructure.

    Oh and as for the age. Make it feel safe, get people used to cycling and they will carry on into a ripe old age (maybe by moving to a trike or getting electric assist). I have seen it.

    Richard Hall

    There's certainly no contradiction (or even tension) between wanting to create better infrastructure for cyclists and an improved public transport system. We need both.

    Angela

    I'd definitely go with you on the infrastructure. Even where good routes exist - we have several around us - they are fine for leisure, but disappear 50m short of the first dangerous junction on the way in to town, only to re-appear when the road has become safe. My daughter lives 1 mile from our town centre but has to negotiate 2 of the most dangerous roundabouts in town before getting to a cycle path, and using it takes her about half a mile out of her way. After cycling 3/4 of a mile she has gone nowhere, been stopped by 4 crossings and taken 10-15 minutes.
    She did try the journey but has now given up, largely due to safety concerns and a lack of confidence. Being overtaken by convoys of giant sugar beet lorries, and having to cross three unmarked lanes on a roundabout is just too frightening.

    Dave

    Angela,

    Agreed there seems to be an idea that all that matters is the number of miles of useless cycling facility.

    Instead there needs to be measures such as reduction in vehicular traffic, increased number of cyclists, more younger cyclists, measures of safe end to end routes, ...

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