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Rachel

Under 4 you could add my personal bugbear: All train companies to increase the number of cycle spaces on their trains (from the present miserly 2) and to introduce a means of pre-booking these spaces that is fast and efficient.

Could you also find a way of flattening out some of the countryside? :o) (In my defence I've cycled 9 work miles today and driven only 2)

Dave

Rachel,

You will love this:

It was announced today [ed 12th Jan 2010] that Danish State Railways [DSB] will allow bicycles to travel free on the red S-trains that serve Greater Copenhagen and suburbs. It is a test period that starts this Friday and that will last for the rest of the year. DSB hope to make everyday journeys easier for Copenhageners and encourage more people to use their bicycle.

DSB is not concerned about the increase in bicycles in the specially designed bike/pram/wheelchair compartments.

"We have personnel on board to help people move around and rearrange so there is space for everyone. We are very confident that there will be room for all", said Niklas Marschall from DSB S-train.

See Copenhagenize

Sally

Some good thinking here Dave, if only! I am constantly surprised that folk are shocked by my choice to walk or cycle to meetings as much as possible.

Sadly the current ice and snow will prohibit my cycling to a lunchtime meeting today :-)

Rachel

You're right Dave - I do love it. Just need stationing to extend to Denmark now!

Matt Wardman

I'm seriously concerned by your emphasis here, Dave, and I hope you don't mind a vigorous response.

To me, your list reads as a shopping list of demands by certain cycling lobby groups, rather than as a list reflecting what actions will actually save lives and reduce injuries.

I don't have time for a fully detailed critique, and I'd agree with a number of points, so a few questions:

1 - What is the evidenced basis for adopting strict liability when the heavy majority of countries who have done so have road safety records far worse than our own stretching back a generation or more?

2 - Also on strict liability, how is it ethical or rational to set up a law which automatically punishes people for things for which they were not responsible, never mind that it also drives a coach and fours through "innocent until proven guilty"?

3 - What is the rationale for setting the cycling mileage rate at the same rate as the motorist rate, when a lower rate is likely to achieve the same objective? Set it too high and you will tempt people not able to cycle to try to do so for financial reasons.

4 - Why are motorists appropriate targets of demands for heavier punishments, when elsewhere a philosophy of rehabilitation and support is considered appropriate? What is different? Why come over all Michael Howard all of a sudden? Is there even any evidence that it *works* in all these cases?

5 - Do you really believe that comparing a means of transport with devices - guns - designed specifically for killing is valid? I'd suggest it is emotional manipulation at best.

The data shows that the vastly most significant causes of accidents are human error - i.e., non-deliberate actions, and that cannot be usefully addressed by heavier punishments.

Rather it needs to be addressed by better training if the concern is to improve safety, rather than emphasising heavier punishment.

I'd say exactly the same for cyclists, especially as we are currently inundated with newbies.

Why you don't seem to want them to take responsibility for themselves. You want to strictly enforce "no parking on pavements", but what about "no cycling on pavements" and all the rest?

There are significant numbers of pedestrian casualties caused by this, as you know.

Yes - possibly lower numbers (and I can't find comparative figures for the causes of pedestrian injury on pavements) - but that's no reason not to address them.

Rgds

Dave

Matt,

Vigorous responses are fine :-)

But this is not just about saving lives in terms of road deaths from crashes. It is also about

a) the desperate need to reduce dependency on resources that are running out (so a response to peak oil)

b) the need to respond to obesity which is much increased by our chosen modes of transport (figures this week were an expectation of 40% obesity in Scotland)

c) the need to improve our community life which is damaged so much by people feeling unsafe in the streets around home, by communities divided by busy roads and by our greatly reduced time in the community caused by driving ever further for work and leisure.

d) the need to improve our economy through healthier workers (and students) who take much less sick time

e) the need to reduce our carbon footprint as a response to global warming

In that light to take your questions:

1. Strict Liability is not just about reducing deaths on the roads but about changing the culture of roads to be about protecting vulnerable people. Which countries are you referring to on safety records? Remember that much of our present safety has come from scaring pedestrians and cyclists into steel boxes.

2. If you hit someone with a two ton metal object then why would you not need to prove that you are not responsible? At present too many vehicle drivers think it is funny or clever to drive at cyclists and pedestrians or to ignore them. Various people keep trying to drive a coach and horses through innocent until proven guilty by blaming cyclists for dying when hit by a speeding car because they were not wearing a but of polystyrene on their head.

3. Why not set the mileage rate the same? It is quite normal to use the tax system to alter behaviour. Who are all these people who are driving for work and can't cycle. There are plenty of options with low step thru bikes, trikes, pedal assist etc to enable many people to cycle.

4. Currently the length of time that driving licenses are taken away when someone is found guilty even of manslaughter are derisory, just a few months after coming out of prison and they can drive again. If I am found guilty of child abuse I am not allowed to look after children ever again. If I shoot someone then presumably I won't be allowed a gun license ever again. Why should driving be different. If I am found to have killed someone by driving (manslaughter, dangerous or careless driving) then don't let me drive again, ever. Maybe I was not clear that this does not relate to a pure accident but after a convicted offence.

5. I don't think I have compared cars to guns (in fact in other discussions on gun laws I have made a clear distinction in that guns are designed to kill whereas cars are designed to transport and it is only mis-use [most typically speeding] that causes them to kill).

I accept that driver error is a big problem but our priorities mean that the vulnerable die when there is human error. A Dutch style infrastructure and legal system protects vulnerable users from human error of drivers. The result is that it is safe for kids in their 1,000's to cycle to school and to their friends even in large cities.

The UK stats show that cyclists are not to blame in most cases. Training the cyclists will not help them when a driver goes too fast or when there is no safe route for them to take. It will not help pedestrians who are forced to walk in the road due to no dropped kerbs, no gritting of pavements, pavements blocked by parked cars.

When there is somewhere safe for a cyclist to ride then by all means enforce all the rules for them. But always consider the stats - far more pedestrians are killed on pavements each year by cars than are by cyclists (I think we frequently go whole years with no pedestrians killed by a cyclist). Anyway strict liability protects pedestrians from cyclists just as it does from cars.

Dave

Matt,

See Gridlock on the London Cycle Network for an example of why the changes are needed. That whole blog is full of examples of why these changes are needed.

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