I want to be an elephant for God

Amazing leaps of logic here: adrianwarnock.com: TOAM Session 9 – R.A.W. By P.J. Smyth.

1. Risk
When Joshua was old God told him he was old he was told that there was still much to do.

Elephants are very undomesticated. They take risks. They are raw. Never say you won’t do something because there is a risk attached to it. We are a herd and we need to be skilled at uncertainty.

“Maybe the Lord is with us!” Keep that word maybe in your vocab. God save us from weak effeminate Christianity.

Jim Elliot said lets gamble our lives for Christ. We need to stand firm and act like men as Paul said to the Corinthians.

Men are being castrated in our age in terms of leadership in the home and the church. We don’t just want to prophesy we want live prophetically. Eg marrying and having kids.

PJ challenged the men to as Spurgeon put it to not turn “milksop.” Elephants charge, they don’t always think about the consequences.

We don’t want to build a zoo. We do not want to be domesticated.

Amazing isn’t it. So totally convincing as Biblical exegesis (please note heavy use of sarcasm by me).

Just two immediate thoughts.

“Maybe the Lord is with us!” Keep that word maybe in your vocab. God save us from weak effeminate Christianity.

Huh? How? What? I can’t see any connection between saying Maybe and being saved from weak effeminate Christianity.

Men are being castrated in our age in terms of leadership in the home
and the church. We don’t just want to prophesy we want live
prophetically. Eg marrying and having kids.

I am married (21 years in a few days time). We have 3 kids so I must not be castrated and must be living prophetically. Oh wait. I am a feminist, an egalitarian so maybe my kids don’t count.

And then from the next section.

Elephants have authority!

Oh good. I must go and listen to one preach the gospel this weekend. Huh?

12 thoughts on “I want to be an elephant for God

  1. Charity

    Thanks for posting this somewhere where I can comment, Dave!
    Either I’m being thick, or this was your point too, but I totally fail to see the connection between Joshua and elephants. If comments were open on Adrian’s blog I would ask him about that.
    One possibility is that P.J. was actually preaching from a “prophecy” earlier in the week, rather than basing himself on Scripture – in any case I can’t see how all the elephant-based applications fit in with the Joshua story.
    I find his We are a herd and we need to be skilled at uncertainty comment very disturbing as it seems to be encouraging people to reject individual critical appraisal.
    I also have a problem with him misquoting Jim Elliot, who actually said: “He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose.” Jim Elliot was not encouraging people under his care to gamble with their lives, but wrote this in his personal journal.

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  2. dave bish

    We’d already left the conference before this session to travel home, but I’m going to go out on a limb as suggest that Adrian’s 500 word summary of a 45-50min (probably) sermon doesn’t quite capture all the nuance of the talk…

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  3. Charity

    Hello Dave Bish. Yes of course it is possible that the problem lies with Adrian’s blogpost rather than with P.J.’s sermon. However Adrian has been at pains to state that he is an or the official blogger for the event, so I would have thought that he would be careful that what he writes is at least a reasonable account of what was said…

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  4. Sally

    where did the elphants come from, or am I loosing the plot??? Read Adrians blog and am none the wiser…. I also asume he is talking about bull elephants….
    exegesis it was not!

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  5. Blue, with a hint of amber

    One possibility is that P.J. was actually preaching from a “prophecy” earlier in the week, rather than basing himself on Scripture
    Bingo!
    I did not hear this talk but the “herd of elephants” prophecy would be very familiar to anyone involved with newfrontiers over the last few years. It was referred to by Terry Virgo in his talk two days previously.
    From my blog: Another prophecy was much older, of a herd of elephants charging along and then reaching some jungle and just carrying on charging and forming a new path. Making a road where there was no road.

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  6. Dave

    Thanks all for the comments.
    If the target audience of Adrian’s post were all internal to New Frontiers this would make more sense. That is not the impression I get though.
    So this is based on a prophesy. It certainly does not appear to be based on scripture. That is quite a change from what New Frontiers tell us they are about.
    As for the Elephants, that image could be interpreted in a number of ways. I can quite see New Frontiers as a herd of bull Elephants trampling over every woman in sight, creating a new path of male dominance over flattened women.
    What a great prophesy describing New Frontiers.

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  7. Charity

    Yes, Dave. There does seem to be a shift if preaching is from modern-day prophecy rather than from Scripture. All the more disturbing as that isn’t made clear.

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  8. Dave

    Bwahoa,
    My comment is clear enough. In the blog post which has some sense of being “official” the balance is not on scripture but on Elephants and quotes from other people.
    Maybe that is not an accurate description of the actual content. But it does seem a fair comment on the blog post.

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  9. Charity

    Bwahao, There are references to the Scriptures you mention, apart from 1 Samuel 17, which I can’t find. But the common theme running through the entire blogpost is that of elephants. There’s not much of a link between the Bible passages, but everything is tied into the elephant idea – that is why I said that it appears to be preaching from modern-day prophecy rather than Scripture.

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  10. Dave

    Bwahoa,
    As like you I did not hear the talk it is difficult to comment too much.
    The impression from the blog post that the preacher picked some headings that were exciting and made an acronym they wanted.
    Risk/Authority/Wild
    Then for each they picked an elephant illustration.
    Then they picked a bible passage for each.
    The connections between the headings, elephant illustrations and scripture are minimal at best.
    Seriously, if someone showed me this as an outline for a sermon I would be making strong suggestions that they do it differently (start from Scripture would be the first).

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