When Peter Kirk visited the Dudley "Outpouring" he wrote: Gentle Wisdom » A visit to the Dudley outpouring.
At the end of
this they took up an offering, which was rather protracted but
mercifully carefully avoided any prosperity gospel type teaching that
people should give so that they get a greater benefit for themselves.
Instead the point of the offering was clearly stated as to benefit
others, to build up a “war chest” for future outpouring events.
Sadly we see a different picture from Todd Bentleys published sermons at Fresh Fire Ministries (my emphasis in it):
In this regard, on three occasions over the past couple of years I’ve had a visitation from the Lord in which I’ve seen the angel of finance. Every time this happens (in our meetings) there is an incredible financial breakthrough—something is opened up in heaven, it invades the earth, and people respond by giving generously. And afterward many testimonies come in to Fresh Fire reporting the abundant blessings that people have received in return!
So let’s look at what happened in a meeting when I went into a trance-like state and I saw, for the third time over the course of a few years, the angel of finance. [A trance is simply a dream-like state but you are awake. For more information on trances, refer to Acts Chapter 10.] In that trance I experienced one of heaven’s realities and then that experience became a reality here on earth.
Here’s what happened. At first I saw heaven open, and as I ascended a ladder into the heavens I saw full vibrant wings and feathers! These feathers were white and as real as they would be in the natural realm; that’s how vivid it was. Then I noticed wings that moved and there was an arm under one wing and another arm under another wing! As the wings lifted I saw every precious gem you could think of under those wings; and then I saw the angel standing, having a body like a man with six wings. I knew it was the angel of finance.
Next, I saw a door called “treasure” and the door was open. Without thinking or considering what to do, I found myself in a treasure room in heaven. The only item in this room was gold coins, and I began stuffing those coins into my pockets until they were falling out. Then, after filling up another pocket, I opened my trousers and started filling my trousers with gold coins. After that, I stuffed them into my suit jacket. I even opened my shirt and started stuffing gold coins down my shirt!
Hat tip: But how will you Get more Gold, Todd!.
Note that it is worth reading the whole of this "teaching" and noting the place of scripture within it (almost none existent) – another concern for me.
In related news and not knowing if this the start of something more, today I got a weird spam email, I guess as a result of my posts (42: Top Bentley post & 42: More on Todd Bentley) or maybe from my comments on several of Peter Kirk’s posts. I confess that both the English and the layout were so bad that it was pretty much unintelligible. However, it seemed to be all about huge US law suites between some people Todd Bentley invited on stage and the author of the email.
This is an odd thing, way outside my own experience which makes it hard to understand and evaluate. Behaviour by both those extremely in favour and extremely against this "outpouring" is so far from Christianity and Christ like behaviour that I am frequently bewildered by it. I do pray for discernment and for a growth in the fruits of the Spirit (love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control) on all sides of this debate.
I have now written several posts on Todd Bentley you can find the others at: